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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://mentalpolyphonics.com/posts/letter-to-the-editor-capital-punishment/comment-page-1#comment-71210</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 06:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fred:

The typical usage of the lex talionis, the law of tit for tat, &quot;an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__P22.HTM#-8Z&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Exodus 21:23–27&lt;/a&gt;) is that you should take an eye to repay the loss of an eye, which is actually a disputed reading.

Some people think that chapter is about the &lt;em&gt;limits&lt;/em&gt; of punishment, for example that the loss of an eye should not be punished by death. In short: there is no interest on injuries. The verse, under that reading, doesn&#039;t require a minimum punishment, it just establishes a maximum. In this case the snippet permits lethal retribution but doesn&#039;t require it.

What you want to be quoting is Exodus 21:12 -- just below the bit about how to sell your daughter as a slave -- &quot;Whoever strikes a man a mortal blow must be put to death.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fred:</p>
<p>The typical usage of the lex talionis, the law of tit for tat, &#8220;an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth&#8221; (<a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__P22.HTM#-8Z" rel="nofollow">Exodus 21:23–27</a>) is that you should take an eye to repay the loss of an eye, which is actually a disputed reading.</p>
<p>Some people think that chapter is about the <em>limits</em> of punishment, for example that the loss of an eye should not be punished by death. In short: there is no interest on injuries. The verse, under that reading, doesn&#8217;t require a minimum punishment, it just establishes a maximum. In this case the snippet permits lethal retribution but doesn&#8217;t require it.</p>
<p>What you want to be quoting is Exodus 21:12 &#8212; just below the bit about how to sell your daughter as a slave &#8212; &#8220;Whoever strikes a man a mortal blow must be put to death.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://mentalpolyphonics.com/posts/letter-to-the-editor-capital-punishment/comment-page-1#comment-71209</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 05:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canada&#039;s criminal punishments are far too lax.

That said:

One false positive execution is too high a cost, and the justice system can&#039;t guarantee against false positives (nor do we really expect it to).

Plus:

There&#039;s evidence that capital punishment increases incidence of violent crime by socializing people to see violence as a valid way of solving problems. People think by analogy, and our social institutions are didactic.

State-sponsored execution costs more, has troubling moral implications, adds nightmare scenarios to our justice system, and makes society more violent.

So yeah: No point in discussing it really, it&#039;s just a bad idea. I mean, what&#039;s next? Weighing the pros and cons of indentured servitude for sub-prime mortgage defaulters? Debtors&#039; prisons? This is the 21st century, not the 19th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada&#8217;s criminal punishments are far too lax.</p>
<p>That said:</p>
<p>One false positive execution is too high a cost, and the justice system can&#8217;t guarantee against false positives (nor do we really expect it to).</p>
<p>Plus:</p>
<p>There&#8217;s evidence that capital punishment increases incidence of violent crime by socializing people to see violence as a valid way of solving problems. People think by analogy, and our social institutions are didactic.</p>
<p>State-sponsored execution costs more, has troubling moral implications, adds nightmare scenarios to our justice system, and makes society more violent.</p>
<p>So yeah: No point in discussing it really, it&#8217;s just a bad idea. I mean, what&#8217;s next? Weighing the pros and cons of indentured servitude for sub-prime mortgage defaulters? Debtors&#8217; prisons? This is the 21st century, not the 19th.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://mentalpolyphonics.com/posts/letter-to-the-editor-capital-punishment/comment-page-1#comment-71208</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fred:
I think revenge is totally a valid argument (whether it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_argument#Deductive_arguments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sound&lt;/a&gt;, we can debate another day), but McFarlane excludes revenge as a justification.

There&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/us/25death.html?emc=rss&amp;partner=rss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some evidence&lt;/a&gt; that  executions are more expensive than life imprisonments in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fred:<br />
I think revenge is totally a valid argument (whether it&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_argument#Deductive_arguments" rel="nofollow">sound</a>, we can debate another day), but McFarlane excludes revenge as a justification.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/us/25death.html?emc=rss&#038;partner=rss" rel="nofollow">some evidence</a> that  executions are more expensive than life imprisonments in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets say a murderer is convicted and given a sentence of life in prison with no chance for parole. Why should we as a tax payer pay to house, feed, cloth and provide health care for the rest of this persons life. In this case I feel that the death penalty would be correct and just. The issue is that people don&#039;t get convictions like that. Even Robert Pickton, convicted of killing 6 people was only given life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years. We foolishly think that after 25 years (less good behaviour) we can integrate him back into society. What happened to an eye for an eye?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets say a murderer is convicted and given a sentence of life in prison with no chance for parole. Why should we as a tax payer pay to house, feed, cloth and provide health care for the rest of this persons life. In this case I feel that the death penalty would be correct and just. The issue is that people don&#8217;t get convictions like that. Even Robert Pickton, convicted of killing 6 people was only given life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years. We foolishly think that after 25 years (less good behaviour) we can integrate him back into society. What happened to an eye for an eye?</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Kyla, I too almost stopped reading it. 

I often wonder if people are really for the death penalty or just frustrated that life in prison often doesn&#039;t result in life in prison. Victim&#039;s families have to keep track of the murder and make sure they don&#039;t miss the parole trials to keep the murder in jail. (thinking about manson here) If I had to be connected to the murderer for the rest of the murderer&#039;s life, especially if he killed my child, I would certainly be wishing for his death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Kyla, I too almost stopped reading it. </p>
<p>I often wonder if people are really for the death penalty or just frustrated that life in prison often doesn&#8217;t result in life in prison. Victim&#8217;s families have to keep track of the murder and make sure they don&#8217;t miss the parole trials to keep the murder in jail. (thinking about manson here) If I had to be connected to the murderer for the rest of the murderer&#8217;s life, especially if he killed my child, I would certainly be wishing for his death.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 17:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s a useful debate because it reminds us what the justice system is supposed to do? While writing this letter I was thinking about what I&#039;ve been learning about restorative justice: watch for it in an upcoming post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s a useful debate because it reminds us what the justice system is supposed to do? While writing this letter I was thinking about what I&#8217;ve been learning about restorative justice: watch for it in an upcoming post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://mentalpolyphonics.com/posts/letter-to-the-editor-capital-punishment/comment-page-1#comment-71204</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 17:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? &lt;em&gt;Really?&lt;/em&gt; In Canada, in the 21st century, we&#039;re &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; talking about the death penalty?

Gimme a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? <em>Really?</em> In Canada, in the 21st century, we&#8217;re <em>still</em> talking about the death penalty?</p>
<p>Gimme a break.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a stupid letter. I almost stopped reading when he started talking about how the &quot;elite&quot; just don&#039;t get the good salt-of-the-earth people. And that the crux of his argument is because that&#039;s what her mom wants. I&#039;ve seen people say similar things for assault, child abuse, etc. &quot;This lady on the news said she would like it&quot; is a very shitty basis for legislation. 

And seeing as his counter-arguments consist of &quot;I don&#039;t know how psychologists work, so they must be lying if they say they know more about psychology than me&quot; and quoting a romantic comedy from 1969, I remain unconvinced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a stupid letter. I almost stopped reading when he started talking about how the &#8220;elite&#8221; just don&#8217;t get the good salt-of-the-earth people. And that the crux of his argument is because that&#8217;s what her mom wants. I&#8217;ve seen people say similar things for assault, child abuse, etc. &#8220;This lady on the news said she would like it&#8221; is a very shitty basis for legislation. </p>
<p>And seeing as his counter-arguments consist of &#8220;I don&#8217;t know how psychologists work, so they must be lying if they say they know more about psychology than me&#8221; and quoting a romantic comedy from 1969, I remain unconvinced.</p>
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